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Should yobs who carry knives be jailed?

YOBS caught carrying a knife could escape with as little as a fine, Britain’s most senior judge said yesterday.

REAPERMAN

15.05.08, 11:36am

not sure ewhat report you are reading. i gave a link to a centre of crime and justice report, and they themselves say it is pretty much impossible to get reasonable figures on 'knife crime'. the one data set they do give shows no increase or decrease.

they find no hard evidence, across several indicators that 'knife crime' has risen. they do however, complain about media hype creating undue paranoia over knife crime.

have a look for yourself, if you are able to.
http://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/opus439/ccjs_knife_report.pdf

you tend to have a habit of taking things out of context and misrepresenting what people have to say, so i imagine that this is the case yet again.

• Posted by: crayfishbanker • Report Comment

YES BUT NO BUT

14.05.08, 11:35pm

Something as to be done about the crime on our streets, but if a weapon isnt used how can people be jailed? I've read that some kids carry weapons for protection, This as to come back to lack of police on our streets, Some punishment should be passed to discourage the carrying of dangerous weapons, but not jail,
They are all full anyway !

• Posted by: cinders • Report Comment

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REAPERMAN/ CFB

14.05.08, 11:24pm

CFB do you really think that knife crime has declined or are you just after a confrontational and battled debate ?

• Posted by: marigold • Report Comment

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CFB

14.05.08, 8:41pm

In 2007 the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies announced that "KNIFE CRIME IN BRITAIN HAS DOUBLED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS".Anyone watching the news or reading both national and local newspapers can see that knifes pose a far bigger threat to our young people than ever before.You belittle this threat at your peril.

• Posted by: reaperman • Report Comment

MICKLE

14.05.08, 4:27pm

you are the one who gets your comments deleted by moderators, not me. so i don't really see how it is you feel justified in 'warning' me.

furthermore, your lack of engagement with the points that undermined your 'argument' demonstrates that, once again, you have nothing contructive to say on the matter.

• Posted by: crayfishbanker • Report Comment

CFB

14.05.08, 4:05pm

Biting the hand that feeds you is not a healthy thing to do.

This Paper allows people to air their views, and if you continue to Criticise its way of working and its owner then you will shortly be having to get yourself ANOTHER email and IP address.
Your English vocabulary is improving though, so thinking up another name will not be as difficult as last time.

• Posted by: Mickle • Report Comment

INTERESTING

14.05.08, 3:17pm

how you believed in (and i quote)

"blown up, headline grabbing nonsense"

then, but you don't now.

sounds like you were a lot smarter when you were younger.

• Posted by: crayfishbanker • Report Comment

SUPERNOVA

14.05.08, 3:10pm

I lived through the era and yes there was newspaper reports of Teddy Boys carrying knives and chains, (Blown up headline grabbing nonsense) but no one as far as I remember was Murdered in their use, (the Noose and Albert Pierpoint were hovering in the background)
As you say it was a very happy time and all about dancing, Music, Drain Pipe trousers, Crepe soled shoes and Ducks Arse haircuts, with enough Brylcreme to grease the QE2.

Crayfishbankernofreespeechherelittleharryhewitvince will argue black is white, and thats his perogative

Empty Vessels and all that!

Probably in years to come his offspring will be quoting the Daily Mirror on how in this decade Nu Labour Reduced unemployment, Improved Healthcare, drastically cut crime, and discovered the Alchemists secret on turning Bull**** into Gold, (pity its all to line their own pockets)



• Posted by: Mickle • Report Comment

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SHOULD YOBS WHO CARRY KNIVES BE JAILED?

14.05.08, 2:49pm

Yes any one carryining a weapon should be jailed, remember that the argument against guns is that guns kill, but it is 99.9% of illegal guns kill. less than 0.01% of legal guns kill, but hand guns are illegal to the law abiding all the people that are killed with Knifes could be prevented with zero tolerance against carrying a knife, other wise why have laws to ban carrying a knife.
The way crime is rising on the streets, we should demand the right to bare arms.

• Posted by: mike1951 • Report Comment

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GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT MATE ,YELLOW NAPPIES

14.05.08, 2:07pm

I dont need to google, to get my facts.
I have it from the horses mouth that the teddy boy era was about music, and fashion.

• Posted by: supernova • Report Comment

KNIFE CRIME

14.05.08, 1:25pm

give me a break...

in actual fact, no one knows what the stats for 'knife crime' are, or even how 'knife crime' is defined.

here something from the telegraph:

"Up to 60,000 young people, mostly male, may be stabbed and injured each year, the equivalent of more than 160 victims a day, according to a worst-case estimate for knife violence in England and Wales.

On the other hand, the figure may be around 22,000 each year for victims aged 10 - 25-year-old.

The different between the two estimates - derived from the questioning of around 600 under-25s about whether they had been "knifed or stabbed", and then extrapolated to the wider population, with all the statistical vagaries that entails - reflects the lack of precise information about the scale of knife crime in England and Wales.

It is also unclear whether knife crime is going down or up. Available official statistics suggest it has fallen since the mid-1990s, but the Government concedes the limited figures are far from reliable.

The death of Adam Regis, aged 15, at the weekend, and the stabbing of Kodjo Yenga, a 16-year-old, last week do little to dispel the perception that knife violence is a major problem, though it remains the case that knife murders - for which there are reliable figures - are rare."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1546085/The-vagaries-of-UK-knife-crime-statistics.html

or check out the 'centre for crime and justice studies', which actually has a considered discussion of the evidence, and include the phrase
"Sensational statements increase public fear of crime beyond the actual risk
and might, in the end, hinder rather than help the police."

they find no hard evidence, across several indicators that 'knife crime' has risen.
http://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/opus439/ccjs_knife_report.pdf

or theres the guardian, who said ift best in the healdline

Knife crime 'not increasing'

"According to the British Crime Survey, knife-enabled crime (any crime involving a knife) over the past decade has remained stable at around 6-7% of all crime, comprising 30% of all homicides.

In fact, the most recent crime survey by the Metropolitan police showed that knife crime has actually dropped by 15.7% over the past two years, from 12,122 to 10,220 incidents."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/13/ukcrime.boris

and as for the moronic statements that knives are 'not bart of british indigenous coulture, but brought in by ethnics... what a load of bull.

proof you ask? well here's just a little... why is it that in the 1950's Mr Barnet-Janner, MP for Leicester, introduced a law against carrying offensive weapons during the Teddy Boy era. (Razors and knives were carried and used at that time by teddy boy delinquents).

why would he do that if there was not a percieved 'problem' in the 1950's with knives?

oh look, once again plenty of evidence to wash away your daft paranoia and xenophobic rhetoric.









• Posted by: crayfishbanker • Report Comment

CFB/NFSH

14.05.08, 12:14pm

Get those worry beads out lad and calm down. You cannot be right ALL the time.
You cannot escape the fact that it is alien to the Indigenous Brit culture and perceived by us older ones as cowardly to carry knives as a means of so called Defence.
If we were getting bullied it was sorted out with Fists, respect was earned and given that way, stealing your Mams Chapatti knife to frighten the bad boys away was never part of our way of life

• Posted by: Mickle • Report Comment

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WHAT IS CFB ON.

14.05.08, 12:05pm

CFB you do put interesting 'perspectives' to these HYS debates. Gets some people thinking I suppose.

Can you tell us what your are 'smoking'!!! You could get a good job as a script writer for Walt Disney.

• Posted by: GH130 • Report Comment

SO WE ARE AGREED AFTER ALL

14.05.08, 11:26am

Kids did carry knives to school in the past.

and, for the record, i went to school in the 70's and 80's (when violent crime was much higher in this country than it is now). and they were not just pen knives. in fact, one of my friends carried a kitchen knife in his backpack for a few weeks because he was getting harrassed by a group of morons.
now, there is a difference between carrying a knife, and using one.

do i approve of carrying knives? no, of course not, because there is always a chance it could be used.

do i think teen knife crime is some sort of huge problem worth worrying about? well, it is never good, but it is certianly not an epidemic, nor is it anything new. and like i've said many times over. crime has been going down on both recorded police measures, and on self-reported surveys. so this whole 'lawless britian' nonsense is just a joke. anybody who believes it simply watches too much tv.
it is all blown way out of proportion by the media, and you people lap it up like it were a cheeseboard at a brewers fayre...

your nieve romantic constructions of your 'idyllic childhoods' 40 years ago not only belies how out of touch you are with this country now, but also how bad your memories are.

"oooh, everything was so wonderful when i was a child, the sun shone more, it snowed more in winter, there wasn't any crime, or any poor people, everybody was nice to eachother... it were lurvely"

nonsense. you remember your childhood fondly because in most cases childhood is a happy time, with little responsibilities and a great feeling of security that you lose when you become a responsible adult.

get over it.

• Posted by: crayfishbanker • Report Comment

ZEIGFRIED

14.05.08, 11:09am

Must have been one of the poorer schools, the Secondary Modern I attended had the pencil sharpener bolted to the teachers desk, no one could afford a pen knife
And the ones that could knew better than to bring them into a school full of Raggylads.

• Posted by: Mickle • Report Comment

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