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Do you resent migrants getting better treatment?GORDON BROWN'S private pollster has admitted that voters resent new immigrants flooding into Britain. 
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HA HA NO FREE
05.03.08, 1:19am
all you have are stereotypical bigoted ramblings and a clear agenda of intolerance towards others.
really, i think it's time to leave sandie.
So, you're off then. Bye Vince, nofree, LLH, vegan crustie......
Have a nice day (I stole that from Gargoyle...heh!)
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
SANDIE
05.03.08, 12:47am
Boring and pointless.
you have no words or arguments of your own, and you can't even copy somebody who has something interesting to say.
all you have are stereotypical bigoted ramblings and a clear agenda of intolerance towards others.
really, i think it's time to leave sandie.
the eighth level awaits.
• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment
GARGOYLE HAS THE MEASURE OF YOU NOFREE!
04.03.08, 11:34pm
NFSH
04.03.08, 8:49pm
Let me get this clear...
After spending many weeks reading the posts here.... my conclusions are this....
Everyone who posts here is wrong .... and you ... and only you are right....
The DE publishes un-substantiated figures .... but yours have to be believed...
Everyone is wrong .... regardless of what they say ....... only YOU are right...
I leave the readers and contributers to the site to make up their own minds.......
• Posted by: gargoyle • Report Comment
I posted this again, because he is SO right!
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
IF YOU READ PROPERLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING
04.03.08, 11:10pm
you would know I have Irish descendants.
I live in Newcastle.
My great great grandparents came from Ireland in the 1840's.
Perhaps the long words have been confusing you??? Try Janet & John again.
As for me having irrational hate on my side, that is totally untrue. I don't mind any people of any race, I just don't want them ALL living HERE.
I don't like them trying to create the atmosphere they have alledgedly escaped from being created in this country.
I don't like them coming here for handouts.
I don't like living in fear of terrorism in my own country. If these people want to blow themselves up let them go home and do it there.
Talking to you vegancommie is like talking to my backside - in fact no, I'd get a better response.
You are calling me a loser, I most certainly would be, if I continued to correspond with people like you, or even worse, if I was influenced by you in any way.
You laughable pathetic fool - well doesn't that just describe you to a T - you think you are talking sense... but in reality, you talk nothing but crap.
I'm bored with your claptrap, which is why I said I am calling an end to further discussion with you.
Your profile:
Amateur photographer, vegan and depressed
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You say you are a vegan, but as someone else pointed out on here, you support Muslims who kill their animals in a most barbaric way.
How can you do that?
And depressed.... no wonder, the way you talk to people.
No friends..... pain in the arse.... amateur in every way!
Now feck off and don't bother me again.
nofree
You have previously admitted on these pages that you have alias'.
So please don't insult people on here by saying you don't.
Re this sentence:-
most british people agree with most of what i have to say on here. they just choose not to engage with the lunatic fringe that is this site.
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I suppose you have read a government poll that people actually agree with YOU in particular.
What total crap.
If you only took some notice of the news and the articles printed in here, you may find out that you are actually in the minority.
Anyone agreeing with you are probably left wing idiots and clueless arseholes like vegancommie - i.e. crusties who think they have attitude.
Re your bible quotes. You appear to forget that there are not people spouting these verses to the Christian public. Unlike your Muslim mates who not only quote verses from the Koran which are vile, they also carry them out in practice.
But, because they are Muslim, that is likely okay with you.
One day, you will learn no free. Trouble is, our country will be in deep shit by then.
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
SNIGGER
04.03.08, 10:17pm
As NFSH has already explained, s/he and I are not the same person.
"So, vegancommie, you are not getting any more of my time."
You laughable pathetic fool. Giving up are you? No more arguments? Nothing left to say? You are a loser, you have lost the argument and you know it. You have nothing but irrational hate on your side which convinces nobody.
"I would just say though, you keep saying that the points I raised, even though they are well documented, are made up.
Is it also made up that flying the flag of St George is virtually a criminal offence now??
No, it is not. Come St Georges Day on 23rd April, my flag will be PROUDLY on display."
I've got no problem with you flying the flag of St George. I have no problem with pride in who you are, I just have no time for hatred for others thats all.
Anyway, I thought you were Irish?
• Posted by: vegancommie • Report Comment
SANDIEL
04.03.08, 9:21pm
you are delusional yet again. i have no other aliases. i am not 'vergancommie'. i'm certainly not a vegan. a commie? well maybe!
i hate to tell you this sandie, but most british people agree with most of what i have to say on here. they just choose not to engage with the lunatic fringe that is this site.
as for that who christian/muslim garbage. any moron can point out any number of passages in the bible that are violent. i've odne it a hundred times here before. so there is no point in going on about violent texts in the koran. there are plenty in the bible too. and given christianity's violent past (and present), it is the pot calling the kettle black in the extreme.
"i come not in peace, but with a sword"
-jesus.
and your points about christmas... the only controversy here is whether or not it is right for government organisations to promote christmas. which it is not. why? the governemt has no business promoting religion.
was 'christmas' under threat this year? not a chance. in fact, the season gets longer and longer every year. annoyingly so.
• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment
REDWHITEANDBLUE
04.03.08, 8:08pm
Well said.
Some of the idiots on here are just too thick to get the message!
They will defend Islam to the Nth degree. I'm letting them get on with it.
Got far better things to do that argue with one person with loads of different alias'.
It is rather sad that some people come on here, and try to back themselves up by creating another ID to make it look as though someone else agrees with them and their point of view.
No one else DOES agrees with them, but they still insist they are right.
How sad does that make them (or should I say him)
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
VEGANCOMMIE, AKA NOFREESPEECHHERE.
04.03.08, 8:00pm
Please explain vegancommie, why you are replying to an email intended for nofree??
Unless you are one and the same person??
Nofree entitled one of his reponses to me as Yup on another thread, and I jokingly answered him back on here with the same one...
So why did you answer I wonder?? Whatever!
Sorry, but it is not worth banging my head against the wall argueing with the likes of you.
It doesn't matter what I say, or try to prove you won't listen. It is classed as either hearsay, or dismissed as not true.
So, vegancommie, you are not getting any more of my time.
You keep your head in the sand, and your bum in the air.
One day, one of the people you defend will bite you on that very same bum, and you will then know what I mean.
I would just say though, you keep saying that the points I raised, even though they are well documented, are made up.
Is it also made up that flying the flag of St George is virtually a criminal offence now??
No, it is not. Come St Georges Day on 23rd April, my flag will be PROUDLY on display.
Tough luck if you don't like that, but I really couldn't give a stuff WHAT you think.
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
SANDIEL, VEGANCOMMIE
04.03.08, 4:09pm
"verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say "the messiah, son of Mary, is God" Q 5:17
"believers, take not Jews and Christians as your friends........." Q:51
These are just 2 of dozens of examples that can be found in the koran that instruct muslims just how to treat non muslims. The koran got more violent as mohammad's power and influence grew. Any peaceful verses have been abrogated (replaced) by the later violent verses. Muslims are taught to believe that the koran is the true unalterable word of allah.
Basically, islam is the product of a very disturbed mind, and is a boil on the backside of humanity.
• Posted by: redwhiteandblue • Report Comment
IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON...
04.03.08, 8:39am
Duh, here we go again.
"I know Jesus is a prophet in Islam, which is why I don't understand why they demonise Christianity so much.
Maybe YOU can explain that. Look it up in one of the many books you must have on the subject!"
"I wasn't aware that Muslims did 'demonise christianity so much', maybe YOU can give us some examples seeing as you made the accusation.
But if they do, maybe its something to do with the crusades or the non stop meddling in middle eastern affairs by the 'christian' west.
Its quite feasible to criticise christianity but still see Christ as a prophet, not least because christianity these days has very little to do with Christ's teachings and more to do with Roman reinterpretations, mixed in with changes made for the convenience of a number of British Kings.
Mind you, if you want examples of the demonising of different branches of christianity, it might be worth having a look at the sectarian history of Northern Ireland.
"Why have there been articles in this very paper about Muslims laying flat crosses in hospital chapels, and taking down pictures of Mary?"
Perhaps they were made up?
"Why have people been sacked or suspended from their jobs for wearing crosses, or protesting about the laying down of the cross I mentioned above?"
I think this has happened to, oooh, one person in recent years? Or maybe you can provide more examples. The only example I ca think of was a BA case and I think that was successfully appealed.
The protection from harassment due to religion and belief regulations apply to all religions including Christians. So if a Christian is treated badly because of their religion they can go to a tribunal about it.
"Why is Christmas being called a Winter festival in some places, rather than the proper name for it, because it 'offends' Muslims?"
Oh for crying out loud, this comes up in the right wing rags every year. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. IT WAS ALL MADE UP. FIND JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS HAPPENING.
Mind you, I think the proper name for Christmas is Saturnalia, the name the Romans gave to the winter festival celebrating the birth of the various sun gods in the various pagan religions of the time, which the Romans tidied up by making it a festival of Saturn. It wasn't until the 4th century that the Romans realised the writing was on the wall and that Christianity was going to be the major religion and changed it to celebrating the birth of Christ.
"Why are some schools not allowed to have a nativity any more?"
Oh gods, it just goes on...see above, this was made up as well.
"Why isn't there a morning Christian assembly in schools? Answer = before it would offend the Muslim children."
The law requires there to be a Christian based daily act of worship in schools. Parents have a right of withdrawal though and schools can also provide collective worship for other faiths IN ADDITION.
And of course it would be offesive to force a Muslim child into a Christian act of worship. They're not Christians you see?
Personally I see it as totally anachronistic to have any faith based 'worship' in schools of any religion.
"Why are Muslims allowed to wear trappings of their religion but Christians are not in our schools?"
Examples again, especially of schools that DO allow Muslim 'trappings' but not Christian, instead of ones that ban all.
"Why are burkas allowed in courts when the Judge and Jury should be allowed to see the face of the person speaking? Would a robber be allowed to wear his mask in court? Answer = No."
The court can require the burka or hijab etc to be removed if there is a need. Surprise surprise, there is rarely a need. Devout Muslim women statistically don't make up a large proportion of the criminal class.
"Just a few examples, you asked for them, well then - there you are!"
No just more nonsense, fabrication, innuendo, urban myth and hatred as per usual. Sorry to drag you kicking and screaming into the wonderful world of facts.
• Posted by: vegancommie • Report Comment
YUP
03.03.08, 11:22pm
I know Jesus is a prophet in Islam, which is why I don't understand why they demonise Christianity so much.
Maybe YOU can explain that. Look it up in one of the many books you must have on the subject!
Why have there been articles in this very paper about Muslims laying flat crosses in hospital chapels, and taking down pictures of Mary?
Why have people been sacked or suspended from their jobs for wearing crosses, or protesting about the laying down of the cross I mentioned above?
Why is Christmas being called a Winter festival in some places, rather than the proper name for it, because it 'offends' Muslims?
Why are some schools not allowed to have a nativity any more?
Why isn't there a morning Christian assembly in schools? Answer = before it would offend the Muslim children.
Why are Muslims allowed to wear trappings of their religion but Christians are not in our schools?
Why are burkas allowed in courts when the Judge and Jury should be allowed to see the face of the person speaking? Would a robber be allowed to wear his mask in court? Answer = No.
Just a few examples, you asked for them, well then - there you are!
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
SANDIE
03.03.08, 10:27pm
"Catholicism is similar to C of E because both religions worship the same people, i.e. Jesus and is mother Mary."
jesus happens to be the second most important prophet in islam, you know. and moses, ect, all in there too. hmmm
"It is the Muslims coming here wanting to change our way of life that gets me annoyed."
tell me how sandie.. how are they trying to change your or my way of life? how is someone having a different religion, or even speaking another language changing YOUR way of life in any way?
i say your knowledge of our history is appalling because you utterly fail to contexualise it and learn lessons from it.
"You know nothing about me, so don't presume to think you do....."
--you have no problem whatsoever thinking you know all about entire groups of people, maybe the shoe should be on the other foot for a while. maybe i should start coming up with all sorts of negative irish stereotypes and apply them to you and your family. then you can get a sense of the sorts of things you are doing to immigrants on here.
• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment
OH, YES I DO KNOW ABOUT OUR HISTORY....
03.03.08, 9:40pm
was comparing the difference between Islam and Christianity.
Catholicism is similar to C of E because both religions worship the same people, i.e. Jesus and is mother Mary.
It was only because of Henry VIII that the C of E came about.
I know the Catholics hated the Protestants and vice versa.
I also know that the Irish Catholics hated the 'planters' that the English put into Ireland, namely the Protestants. The planters were mainly sent over by Oliver Cromwell. And I also know that Ireland was more of less conquered /colonised around the 11th/12th century.
The Catholics were treated as scum by the English land owners, and that even continues today in certain aspects of life over there.
I'm not on either side before you pounce on me for that.
And I don't agree with violence on either side.
Irish history is very complicated.... which is why I said earlier, I didn't want to get into that argument.
It is the Muslims coming here wanting to change our way of life that gets me annoyed.
You say my ignorance of our history is staggering.... oh really??
I also am aware that Mary Tudor who was a staunch Catholic put lots of Protestants to death when she took the throne, believing them to be heretics.
Mary Queen of Scots was a Catholic, and when Elizabeth I died, Marys son James VI of Scotland became James I of England, but the country remained protestant.
It was only when his son James II came to the throne after the death of Charles II that the country became Catholic again, which caused huge problems in the country. He was routed out in Ireland by William of Orange - King Billy, who the Protestants hail as their hero.
So, I do know about British history. I just don't want it diluted by all of the foreigners coming here, wanting our customs and ways changed. These people know NOTHING of our history, and wouldn't give a stuff about it anyway, would they?
Don't you realise it is that I want to have protected?
By the way, you mentioned Guy Fawkes on one of these threads.
Guy Fawkes was NOT a catholic, he converted, and participated in the Spanish wars, fighting for the Catholics.
After returning, he got involved in the Gunpowder plot.
End of history lesson. You know nothing about me, so don't presume to think you do.....
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment
SANDIE
03.03.08, 7:30pm
your lack of knowledge of our history is staggering.
ireland was an english colony. in the same way that the resouces of africa (and many other places) were plundered in the interests of the english, so too was ireland.
and 'catholics' were not considered part of the same religion in the 17 and 1800's. there were ocnsidered the enemy. the protestants hated the catholics with a passion (remember, catholocism was illegal here for a long time.. many catholics were burned as well).
especially within the contexts of war with spain and france, catholics were considered the enemy of the state, and a huge threat. thus they were hated. and that's why the irish were hated, and ultimately why noone cared about what was done to them in ireland.
hmm... sound familiar? still kind of rings true today, don't you think?
• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment
TOO RIGHT REDWHITEANDBLUE
03.03.08, 1:19pm
How can vegancommie defend people who kill animals the way Muslims do???
Halal style, cutting their throat then leaving them to bleed to death.
How barbaric!
Why isn't Jamie Oliver and Hugh Fearnley-Whittonstall criticising Muslims for doing that??
They are obviously among the 'too afraid' lot. NO one can criticise Muslims for anything because of the cries of racism we would all hear if they did.
And, re vegancommies statement about terrorists being put behind bars, no doubt that woman from Liberty will have voiced her 'concerns' about that....
Another one defending the indefensible. She gets right on my wick.
• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment