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Should we kick out all foreign criminals?

SUSPECTED Polish criminals are set to be released onto Britain’s streets because of shambolic delays in returning them home.

INCOMPETENT GOVERNMENT

26.06.08, 2:57pm

All illegal aliens should be deported immediately, and all foreign criminals likewise. Then Brown and his whole cabinet should resign and leave the Country, somewhere nice like Iraq.

• Posted by: JK50 • Report Comment

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NOFREE

23.02.08, 6:09pm

Once again you are relying on figures likely dreamed up by the Government.

The people leaving this country are doing so because they don't like the way things are going, and are leaving for a better life.

If I could afford to do that, I would be typing this message from somewhere else myself!!!!

People from Africa and other non-Eu countries literally *do* just walk in here, hands outstretched to claim whatever they can.

Why do you think there is a huge rise in the costs to the NHS for HIV & Aids related problems, together with Hepatitus C?

Why do you think the cost of immigrants having their babies here has rocketed??

They don't just come for one session of treatment, they come for the duration, and while they are sick, they get benefits.

Your comment on why do they come all this way across the world for a few quid???

Well, it is because they don't likely have that 'few quid' from the country they have travelled from.

Ask yourself this. Why do they come from far and wide in the world to this small island, across many other beautiful civilised countries to get here?

What is so special about our little island, that other countries do not have???

Free money, and free housing. That is what.

Re this comment:-

they are here to work, make money and improve their lives and the lives of their family. that is to be respected, not to be criticised.

Fair enough, in certain circumstances that may be true. But lots of immigrants are not here legally, and therefore should not BE allowed to work. They should be shipped home, together with their families.

Being here illegally, should NOT be respected, and does deserve criticism.

We live on an island, and there is not enough space for everyone in the world to come and live (or work) here.

• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment

FOREIGN CRIMINALS. BOFFIN,

13.02.08, 6:05pm

It's disgusting tha t foreign criminals are allowed out onto our streets, havant we got enough problems of our own,if the polish government or the government which is responsible for the criminal cannot arange to take them back, a plane should be chartered from here and the bill sent to the government concerned for payment, no they are probably dragging their feet because they dont want them back.

• Posted by: Boffin • Report Comment

SANDIEL

13.02.08, 1:59am

yes i have seen that headline... what a load of rubbish. 316000 is actually a decrease in immigraiton in previous years, as i show in my comment there. and pretty small considering at least 200000 people will be leaving britian in any given year. so, another non-event taken out of context.

as for your other points, you did not say 'if' you said 'how can you' implying something i hadnt said.

and no, most of them do not want handouts. 50% of immigrants already come with a job. the vast majority of the rest have to guarantee they have family who will support them.

immigrants, until they gain residency status (after 3 years at least, and passing of the life in the uk test) have no recourse to public funds.

its stamped in thier passport.

this idea that people from africa can just walk in and collect the dole is a fabrication. members of the EU have some recourse. but not overseas migrants.

furthermore, what you don't seem to get, is why would anyone come all the way across the world to get a few quid a week on the dole or social assistance? it doesn't make sense does it?

they are here to work, make money and improve their lives and the lives of their family. that is to be respected, not to be criticised.

• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment

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MISSED THE POINT AGAIN VINCE

13.02.08, 1:42am

You have accused me of lying.

I asked you *if* you were defending their right to stay here, and *if* that were so, why?

So where was I lying in that?

Where did I say that you don't think foreign criminals should be kicked out.

I implied your defence of all foreigners makes it appear thay way...

You also say that if someone has attained British Citizenship they are 'our' responisiblity.

That is just pants. They should be stripped of their passport and booted out, the same as the others.

British passports should be given out very carefully. Not to all and sundry. It should be a priviledge to own a British passport, not a reason to scam the country by brining in extended families.

By the way, have you seen the headline for today - 13th February, how there are 860 immigrants welling our population EVERY DAY?

Most of them wanting hand outs no doubt.

• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment

SANDIEL

08.02.08, 6:00pm

get a grip. i was reponding to the pro bnp rubbish that was put out here, and making the point that they are not a party of law and order, but actually have a executive made up of many violent criminals.

you can't deal with that truth, so once again you hurl insults at me personally.

then you go on to lie and say that i have said that i don't think foreign criminals should be kicked out. i never said that at all. why do you lie?

in my opinion on that issue, actually i think that it is actually reasonable for foreigners (i.e. people who have not attained british citizenship) who commit crimes should be kicked out. however, this is complicated.

1. if we want people to be punished for thier crimes, we have to make sure that the country that we send them to will actually trial them and punish them for those crimes (otherwise, they'd be getting away with it, wouldn't they?)

2. if someone has attained british citizenship, they are effectively our responsibility and should be dealt with by us, no matter where they were born.

seem reasonable enough to you? or would you like to lie some more?

• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment

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NOFREESPEECHHERE

08.02.08, 1:01am

You are also missing the point again.

This thread is about 'foreign criminals' being kicked out.

Are you defending them, and saying they should be allowed to stay??

What the hell can be your reasoning behind that?

Why should be pay to keep them in prison, and then keep in the benefits once they get out onto the streets to commit more crime.

Sorry Vince, oops, sorry, 'nofree' you are a nutter....

• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment

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NOFREESPEECHHERE

08.02.08, 12:55am

Sorry, I didn't realise....

You have kids???

Poor little buggers....

• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment

SANDIEL/ANGLOSAXON

07.02.08, 9:48pm

well, obviously the truth hurts. the bnp executive not only have violent criminal pasts, and racist histories, they also have no economic policy that makes any sense. and their party structure is anti-democratic (i.e. nick griffin is in sole charge of policy).

simply, they are opportunists. in the past, nick griffin has even joined international socialist organisations in his quest for power. they have previously tried to capitalise on anti-black, and anti-semetic feeling to gain support to no avail. now they try the muslims and immigrants.

it is cynicism in the extreme. you may hate me for pointing it out, but that doesn't make it less true.

i live in a very diverse area. and have in the past. i have worked with pensioners and prisoners and your and adult learning. thus i have been exposed to many different types of people in terms of class and ethnicty. i myself come from a trades family and have owrked in the trades in the past. so i have pelnty of experience on these fronts.

so, am i worried about my children bening surrounded by 'criminals and muslim beheaders?' as you so ignorantly put it? no, becasue i am smart enough to know that immigrants are actually more law abiding that regular folks (i can give you references if you like). in a country where crime has been steadily delining as immigration levels have been rising.

am i going to be surrounded? no, because only 10% of the british population was born outside of this country. and only 2.5% of the country is muslim. it would take decades and decades of increasing immigration (something which will not happen, as levels are already lowering now is it is, these things go in waves you know) for there to be any substantial impact on the demographics of this country.

you know what i would worry about? my children growing up in a country where the politics of race and bigotry is influential. where an economics of isolationism cripples the economy and kills the life chances of my kids.

now this is something to worry about. so i worry about people like you who are swayed by this nonsense.

• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment

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YOU WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE BNP

07.02.08, 1:28pm

Where have you been living? Martin McGuiness and Jerry Adams were violent murdering thugs, they are now the new luvies of New Labour.

When people like you spout on about the BNP you always trawl up garbage, I expect you will be content to sit back and allow your children to be surrounded by the world’s criminals and Muslim beheaders. O what a wonderful country this is under the liberal luvies!

• Posted by: anglosaxon1 • Report Comment

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WILL EVERYBODY STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND TAKE ACTION?

07.02.08, 1:21pm

NOFREESPEECHHERE#

Here here well said, vote BNP

• Posted by: anglosaxon1 • Report Comment

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NOFREESPEECHHERE

07.02.08, 12:19am

Once again, I cross swords with you.

Are you talking about the Labour Party when you say 'they encourage violence'??

Because the Labour Party actively encourage scum from all over the world to come here, and sponge off our taxes.

Muggers, rapists, murderers, terrorists, all welcome here under Nu :Labour.

The BNP may appear racist to you, with your left wing leanings, but most people on here are sick to the back teeth of being second class citizens in the OWN country.

Many people may not like what the BNP stand for (more so in the past), but they are leaning towards them, because the other parties do NOTHING to stop the inflow of foreigners, criminal or otherwise.

Enough is enough. Desperate times mean desperate measures.

You obviously live somewhere nice & quiet, nowhere near the scum coming here.

Until you have some experience, you should keep your mouth (and your keyboard) firmly shut.

• Posted by: SandieL • Report Comment

KEYBOARD WARRIORS

06.02.08, 6:50pm

yes, all you keyboard warriors out there, who pretend to be for law and order (even a former police officer), run around and actively promote a party that has a massive history of violence and criminality.

let's see who you 'keyboard warriors' promote:


A BBC Panorama programme reported on a number of BNP members who have had criminal convictions, some racially motivated. The BBC's list is extensive. Some of the more notable convictions include:

In 1998, Nick Griffin was convicted of violating section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986, relating to incitement to racial hatred. He received a nine-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, and was fined £2,300.

Kevin Scott, the BNP's North East regional organiser, has two convictions for assault and using threatening words and behaviour.
Joe Owens, now expelled but previously a BNP candidate in Merseyside and former bodyguard to Nick Griffin, has served eight months in prison for sending razor blades in the post to Jewish people and another term for carrying CS gas and knuckledusters.

Tony Wentworth, former BNP student organiser, was convicted alongside Mr Owens for assaulting demonstrators at an anti-BNP event in 2003.

Colin Smith, BNP South East London organiser has 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.


David Enderby British National Party (BNP) councillor for Winyates ward, Redditch, was found guilty of three counts of assault yesterday. He was fined £100 for each of the counts and ordered to pay £100 costs to Kidderminster Magistrates Court. He is refusing to resign his position on the council. In June last year Kevin Hughes Enderby’s agent in the elections was sentenced to three months in prison for racially aggravated common assault.

There have been a string of recent incidents involving BNP councillors/ members/ activists. Only two weeks ago the BNP Parliamentary candidate for Hull Brian Wainwright was found guilty after a campaign of hate mail against the local mosque, a Muslim councillor and a local anti-fascist activist. A letter in which he claimed, “Muslim blood will be spilt” included ‘SS’ scull and cross bones imagery. Another letter was sent to a local anti-fascist activist threatening that Combat 18 (the Nazi terrorist organisation who take there name from Hitler’s initials) would visit.

In the same week a BNP activist in Swindon Mark Bulman (who has used the pseudonym Bullock) was sentenced to five years after attempting to firebomb a local mosque using a BNP leaflet as a fuse. He also daubed swastikas and racist graffiti on local shops and businesses that he believed to be ‘ethnic’.

In June 2006 BNP councillor Brian Turner was found guilty of a racially aggravated public order offence. He escaped a jail sentence and was instead ordered to carry out 300 hours of unpaid work in the community. Turner has previous convictions of common assault and police assault after he was convicted of beating up his wife Melanie Turner.

Sabby Dhalu, Unite Against Fascism Joint Secretary said:
“David Enderby should resign immediately. Enderby’s refusal to resign his position on the council is unacceptable. People of Winyates ward, Redditch deserve better than a thug as a local representative.

The BNP is unfit for public office. They claim to be a legitimate political party, however it is clear that the BNP does not behave like a normal political party. Its history is riddled with violence, particularly racist violence. The above convictions reveal the true nature of the BNP - that the BNP is a fascist and racist organisation full of thugs with criminal convictions.

so much for law and order!

• Posted by: nofreespeechhere • Report Comment

NAILS

06.02.08, 3:11am

I disagree with you. For every one person that has a comment published on sites like this there are many more who just read them. Until recently I was one of them. It gives me a bit of relief to find out that most folk feel the same way and that boosts my morale. Many readers have joined or began to support a particular party because of the internet's "keyboard warriors". That party may one day prove to be our nation's salvation, if it's not already too late.

• Posted by: muggins • Report Comment

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IT'S A NO BRAINER

03.02.08, 11:25pm

We are a democracy. If a Johnny foreigner commits a crime in Britain, we should give him a choice. Either do porrige or get out and don't come back.

• Posted by: Zeigfreid • Report Comment

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