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'Bombers' try to blow up UK Airport

GLASGOW Airport was evacuated this evening after two men in a jeep tried to drive a car into the terminal building.

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TTOMKINS.

01.07.07, 7:15pm

ttomkins, Re:
"When you say treat them with more suspicion, what would that actually involve?"

Who knows? One thing that could be made clear to all Muslims, especially the Muslim Council of Great Britain, is that, until they show sincere and genuine support in the fight against Muslim extremists and condemn these terrorists, the Country as a whole would treat them suspiciously.
I'm not saying law abiding Muslims would solve the problem overnight, but they really could make more effort to show where their allegiance lies. I suspect a large proportion of the Muslim community secretly endorse these atrocities that are occurring throughout the Country.
Single them out, cut of their public funding, treat any Muslim as suspicious on sight. Make life difficult for them, forget all the anti racist campaigners this is more important.
You may think my views are extreme but nowhere near as extreme as this murderous Muslims who plant bombs!

• Posted by: steveg • Report Comment

STEVE

01.07.07, 6:35pm

When you say treat them with more suspicion, what would that actually involve?

• Posted by: ttomkins • Report Comment

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I'M ENGLISH

01.07.07, 5:58pm

Alroy. You asked what country I love. I love England. where I was born. Where my parents were born. Where my parents parents were born. Sorry, after that I have to admit to having, Irish blood, Spanish blood and Scottish blood. Not a drop of Muslim blood. One of my great grandparents was English though.

• Posted by: Bijemi • Report Comment

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APOLOGIES

01.07.07, 5:44pm

Alroy. Apologies for quoting you when it was not you. You did however talk about British White Christians like that was somethn to be proud of. As I pointed out, look at the crime statistics to see what a wonderful influence Christianity has had on the counrty. Many so called Christians in jail. I believe in the Bible but don't follow it, so would never demeen true Christians, those that flollow the Bible to the letter, by saying that I am one.

A hypothetical question. A country bombs us. They have no reason what so ever to do so, except the belief that they are right about something. Oh, and we have oil. There are people in that country who are second generation, whatever counrty it is, but they feel that what was done to us was wrong. They take it upon themselves to fight for us in that country. What would you say to them? Would you ask them to very politely stop because they don't live here. Or, would you be thankful? Is it one rule for us and another for everyone else?

• Posted by: Bijemi • Report Comment

BACK AGAIN

01.07.07, 5:38pm


Firstly I dont support the terrorists and I am not a Muslim either. While I disagree with terrorism I also disagree with those who condemn an entire community and advocate torture and mass deportation.

Words like seig heil to someone who has just spouted off about the benefits of torture - why not he sounds like a member of the gestapo. And some of you sound no different to the Muslim extremists who generalise about the evil West and nonMuslims. How simple it must be to live in your world.

• Posted by: ST • Report Comment

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BOMBERS!

01.07.07, 5:32pm

ttomkins. I don't know about anyone else who has commented on this issue, but of course I do not think all Muslims are guilty of terrorism. I am simply suggesting that due to the seriousness of this latest bomb threat, that all Muslims are treated as suspicious until the authorities at least can reduce the danger and threat to civilians. This may sound drastic to some people like yourself, but peoples lives are at risk, how many times do I have to say this?
I do not care about social etiquette or hurting any ethnic groups feelings, protecting the public is paramount, even if my suggested approach is only temporary.
As I type this, there has just been another newsflash to say there was a controlled police explosion at a Scottish hospital because of a suspected bomb. Also five more arrests have been made throughout the Country including a Muslum man and woman on the motorway.
How much convincing do you need?

• Posted by: steveg • Report Comment

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01.07.07, 5:02pm

Steve, I wasn't calling you a bigot, I was just talking about political correctness in general. you're right, there was a wife arrested for her involvement in some guy's plot, and absolutely, i doubt a mum or a dad are going to grass up their own kids. All I'm saying is that surely you recognise MOST muslim mums and dads aren't hiding a psycho kid who is trying to blow us up, and consequently, it's only fair to treat most Muslims as normal. As for your points about the ideology of Islam, I have already said that a lot of it isn't compatible with Western thought, but that, I think, is a separate issue.

Alroy, thanks for your points about the distinction between the IRA conflict and the current conflict which are true. The distinction between Unionists and Nationalists is no less applicable though: there are those Nationalists who would support violence and those who would not, and I don't think calling all Nationalists supporters of the IRA is rational.

You accuse me of a being a person who has not "vigorously condem[ned] these recent attrocities and their Islamic sponsors". Of course I condemn these attacks, and of course I condemn those factions of Islam which support such radical views. I want justice to be brought, I want this country to be safe. But I'm also responding (or, what you call "spouting") to an irrational and dangerous line of thought which seeks to demonise the WHOLE of the Muslim population.

I do like democratic free debate, I find it questionable whether you appreciate any of the liberties that we have under this democracy, as evidenced through your support for torture and your disregard for other views, especially those which you regard as "lefty". THIS is the debate, we're having it right now, but peppering your side of the argument with personal insults ('jump on the next plane", "we can well do without your sort here", and "sod off to the next Islamic country") really doesn't add to the kudos of your argument.

As for banachech - this is nothing to do with the left/right division, and what's wrong with being a lefty? Are you against trade unions and socialism as well? We live in Scotland which has always been lefty.

• Posted by: ttomkins • Report Comment

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TO SOME PEOPLE, MUSLUM FEELINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LOSS OF INNOCENT HUMAN LIVES!

01.07.07, 3:38pm

Lets look at the facts here folks.
We have had two serious terrorist bomb plots recently that could have caused serious injury and loss of life to men, women and children, similarly to the London bombings in 2005.
Yet we have some PC types who defend and support Muslims against criticism from people who show anger towards these criminal acts.
Both Bijemi and ttomkins, together with their new 'Muslum defender of the faith' ST, like to give the Muslims as a whole, the benefit of the doubt. To defend this, they use words like bigots and 'sieg heil' to brand anyone who shows dislike to Muslims or does not agree with their leftist liberal views.
It really amazes me how people like this, can get their priorities so confused?

• Posted by: steveg • Report Comment

AIR ORT BOMBINGS

01.07.07, 3:12pm

Sorry Bijemi but you have got all your facts wrong, sugest you review what's been said and by whom! I did not say you condoned the attempted bombings, and I did not say "round em up and ship em out!" I didn't broach the subject of Christianity it was one of your mates who did that, I merely responded! I never said that all bombers families should be punished, and also as regards the crime rate that has increased dramatically since all you Muslims came! You say "you love your country and I'm intrigued, which country are you referring to?
Wonder if you are going to apologise for all the false acusations you've made?
alroy.

• Posted by: alroy • Report Comment

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PLEASE READ PROPERLY.

01.07.07, 1:51pm

Alroy, Pease, can you point out where it is that I condoned the attempted bombings? No, you can't find it, well that will be because I HAVE NOT!!! I do not think that your, round em up and ship em out attitude is either mature or practical. You come across as somone who is very bigoted, and I suspect that if you didn't have this to show us how important that you think that gerat white man is, then there would be something else.

I love my country, but I won't sit here and berate a whole group of people because of the actions of a few. Why? because I don't judge people for things they have not done. I would support any group of people who you were unfairly having a go at, regardless of who it is.

You waffled on about British white Christians. What about Bristish dark Christans. How much do you stuudy your Bible and follow what it says. This is a Christian country in name only. You spout on about your Christian country, a country that is so Christian that people are afraid to go out at night. Its crime rate is high. we have more murders, rapes and more children being abused. Very Christian I must say. Doesn't the Bible say something about taking something out of someone eye before you say anything about your own. I paraphrase.

I believe that you have a right to your opinion, one of the great things about his country. But to suggest that I, and the other two posters go to a Muslim counrty because we see things from a more open perspective is insulting. Not to us, but to you.

I do not agree with your sentiments to punish every member of a family or group because off a small minority. Yes, maybe they al agree with what is going on, but they themselves are not a part of it so as far as I am concerned, that is the end of it. There are people who I feel should not be on the planet, and although I might think its a good thing if somene did somethng about it, that would not make me guilty.

• Posted by: Bijemi • Report Comment

AIRPORT BOMBERS

01.07.07, 1:22pm

Well Well, so we actually have three staunch supporters of the Muslims,"yoursel", Bijemi and ttomkins, who rather than vigorously condem these recent attrocities and their Islamic sponsors prefer to spout off about the British democracy. Well I seems to me that your idea of democracy is for you to say what the hell you like, unapposed and in defence of Islam, and everyone else should keep their mouths shut! May I suggest that you and your Islamic sypathiser friends jump on the next plane out to Iran, Afganistan or Soudi Arabia where I'm sure you'll really love their idea of democracy. But for goodness sake please don't think about coming back, we can well do without your sort here!
alroy.

• Posted by: alroy • Report Comment

DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM

01.07.07, 11:16am

"So I suggest that both you and Bijemi take youselves and your Muslim beliefs, your womens Burkas and Sod off to some Islamic country where you will be more appreciated!"
alroy.

Ah the joy of democracy in action. I want freedom of speech unless you happen to disagree with me! Good one alroy - are you a professional comedian by any chance?

• Posted by: ST • Report Comment

MUSLIM TERRORISTS!

01.07.07, 10:37am

I'm afraid "ttomkins" and "Bijemi" are both living in "cloud cuckoo land" and needs to get their heads straightend out! Let's take a look at a few of their comments starting with "ttomkins" assertion that the families, of terrorist would not condone or support their sons evil activities. Can you see a Muslim mother or father grassing on their own son, I doubt it! As regards the likely repercussions against Asians with Turbans, I think you will find that most people understand that unlike Muslims, those wearing Turbans are either Seiks or Hindu's and are absolutely no threat to this nation or world peace and order!Both your references to the Irish people and previous IRA atrocities this cannot in any way be compared to Muslim terrorism. The Irish dispute was not so much about conflicting religeous differences, both nationalities being of Chistian beliefs, albeit Cathlic & Prodestant, but the dispute over controll of Northern Ireland which thank God has now been resolved! The Islamic situation in Britain is a totally different kettle of fish where British white Christians are feeling threatened by the volume of alien Islamics now intruding on "our space" and can see their numbers multiplying seemingly daily. You say do we expect Islamics to go on the march in protest against Muslim "terrorsts"? Why not, did not many thousands of white Brits march in protest against the war in Iraq, a Muslim country? You, "ttomkins" said we are a united and friendly country (or were until the Islamic invasion) and that is the only sensible statement you have made, but the fact is of course we Brits are much too friendly for our own good in allowing all these war mongering Muslims into our country! Not content with being wecomed and accepted into our midst they then want to 'bite the hand that feeds them' by trying to convert this country into an Islamic state! Well, I can assure you, that sort of situation would only arise over my dead body! So I suggest that both you and Bijemi take youselves and your Muslim beliefs, your womens Burkas and Sod off to some Islamic country where you will be more appreciated!
alroy.

• Posted by: alroy • Report Comment

DAMN RIGHT !

01.07.07, 10:26am

AS I'VE ALREADY SAID.....
30.06.07, 5:43pm

As I've already said in John Twomey's column "Don't let the Bombers beat us" when we catch these murders "hang the bastards!"
But firstly with the one they've arrested at Glasgow Airport, let him do a liltle squeeling on some of his Islamic partners first, it's surprising how extracting a few finger nails, electric shocks to the testicles, etc, could help loosen these cowardly shits tongues! Especially if it's carefully and convincingly explained to them it's just a bit of kidology what they're taught and there are definitely no beautiful young virgins waiting for them after they're dead, only big hairy Gorilla type perverts who haven't had sex for years.... and then hang them!
alroy.





• Posted by: alroy • Report Comment

Jawhol Sieg Heil Mein Fuhrer!! Hang on thought torture was one of the reasons we invaded Iraq, no hang it was WMD, oops wrong again it was democracy, damn it it was freedom. No what was it freedom, democracy and human rights, no hang on it was oil.

Did you used to work for Saddam ashis torturer in chief? Your response that they should be tortured and in quite graphic detail suggests you dont value what is meant to make Britain special - human rights, democracy and things like freedom from torture. Sieg Heil, strap on the electrodes and turn on the electricty!.

• Posted by: ST • Report Comment

SEND 'EM ALL BACK HOME!

01.07.07, 10:19am

You mean we are at war and someone tried to bomb us??????? Terribly unsporting of them dont you think?

I prefer it like it was in the old days when you could invade somewhere and nick the darkies country and everything was ok. Rule Britannia blah blah blah. Whites forever, darkies out. White Mans Burden and gunboat diplomacy.

Ok so maybe that was a bit overboard but that is the attitude of many here. Blaming an entire group of people will only create more extremists. There is an extremist movement at work here and they have to be stopped, but blaming all Muslims? And by the way why is setting off a carbomb at an airport morally wrong but bombing from the air ok?

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