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Spurious claims? Even the governmental lap-dog that is the BBC shows the same figures (related to total recorded crime over previous 12 months) as what i have stated. Check the word 'spurious' in the dictionary and come back to me with the answer.

--if you had bothered to actually read and understand my post, you will see that i acknowledged that 'massive' 3% increase over last year.
--obviously, you missed the point. last year muderers were at an all time low within recent memory. so, a three percient rise on an all time low is hardly an epidemic.
the data i showed you show, to concentrate on murders for a second, an OVERALL trend downward. this is what you fail to understand or acknowledge. if we comapre murders (or any other crime for that matter) there is much less now than there was ten years ago. the trend for murders and all forms of violent crime is down. having a small increase in a couple of things one year does not effect this.

--if you come back in another three years and can show proof that, say murders have been going up more than down in that time, then you might have something noteworthy to say. however right now, you are feebling trying to capitalise on a small increase from a record low year, and trying to pretend there is a trend there that there is not.

--this is especially relevant when you consider:

1. the rise in the populaton over the last decade. (larger population theoretically should mean more murders and violent crimes)

2. the current large number of people in their late teens (the people most likely to be involved in violent confrontations)

--thus, the point i made, and make again, that the trend downward in all forms of crime, including violent crime and murder, is notable.

"Where have i said that violent crime was up? I stated that you're more likely to be murdered OR involved with a knife. "

--another assertin you make which is not actually true, as the BCS has shown. as well as the trend in both reported crime and bcs figures.

"I'm not entirely sure that you understand the true magnitude of crime reporting and how crimes are actually recorded. '

--oh, i think i do, which is why i know that the British Crime Survey is the most accurate picture of crome, as it attempts to measure unreported crime as well as reported crime. it also measures 'perceptions' of crime. which has gone up, largely because of ridiculous media hype such as the above article. you would seem to be a victim of that as well.

"I also note the fact that you're using date 06-07 rather than the lastest available figures of 07-08. "

--and once again, you note wrongly. If you had read and understood the last post, you would see the 2007/2008 murder rates.

--furthermore, your ramblings about knife crime are misguided, as it is only this year that 'kife crime' has been categorised as a seperate, so it is impossible to espablish a trend. athough the centre form criminal justice has attempted to measure past trends on existing data, and suggest that it has remained level. however, the proportion of murders committed with knives has gone up, becasue the amount of murders have gone down, and the amount of firearms related murders have gone down.

--next time, i suggest you actually read and understand a post before responding to one. although i do acctually appreciate someone on here who at least attempts to use evidence and logic to make a point. it is a refreshing change.

--as for you comment about public order offenses. i am sure that you are well aware how much those laws have changed over the past few years, with more and more new crimes being invented that people can be charged with, inflating those figures. trying to ascertain a trend amongst that mess will not be possible for a long time.

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